Pennies From Heaven

From Deep Background at MSNBC:

Gov. Mike Huckabee, vastly outspent so far in his bid for the presidency, has turned for funding to a controversial televangelist who is under active Senate investigation. Late last month, Gov. Huckabee held a fundraiser at the Texas estate of millionaire televangelist Kenneth Copeland, his spokesman tells NBC News.

The U.S. Senate currently is investigating Copeland, and five other televangelists, amid allegations that they are improperly using millions in charitable donations for their personal benefit, and, in the process, fleecing their flock. Copeland and the other televangelists have strongly denied those allegations.


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“The Huckabee Event was not hosted by Ken Copeland or anyone employed by the church,” a spokesman for Kenneth Copeland Ministries tells NBC. “The Huckabee campaign rented a room at our facility and hosted a private function,” the spokesman says.

The event raised about $100,000 for Huckabee’s campaign and nearly $1 million more in pledges, according to a blog report by Doug Wead, a former Republican strategist with close ties to the evangelical community.

…snip…

At the time of the private fundraiser, Copeland was hosting a national ministers’ gathering at his headquarters. Hundreds of evangelical ministers were in town. Copeland’s spokesman says the fundraiser took place at the same location, but while the ministers’ gathering was out of session.

…snip…

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, sent lengthy letters last November to Copeland and five other televangelists seeking hundreds of documents. Grassley, the lead Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, says he is following up on complaints from the public and the news media about the popular ministers. “The allegations involve governing boards that aren’t independent and allow generous salaries and housing allowances and amenities such as private jets and Rolls Royces,” Grassley writes.

Copeland’s critics accuse the “prosperity-gospel” televangelist of high-flying ways. His donors helped him purchase a $20 million private jet, a Citation X, in 2006, according to his website. And Grassley’s 6-page letter to Copeland asks him to justify the Copelands’ alleged use of the ministry jet for “layovers in Maui, the Fiji Islands and Honolulu.” Grassley writes, “Provide an explanation of the tax-exempt purpose of each layover…”

Last November, Copeland hosted Gov. Huckabee on five of Copeland’s televised programs. At the ministers’ conference last month, Copeland effusively praised Huckabee and said that Huckabee had pledged to support him despite the Senate investigation.

…snip…

Copeland also quoted Gov. Huckabee as saying: “Why should I stand with them [Senate] and not stand with you? They only got 11 percent approval rating.”

From Arkansas News Bureau:

The former Arkansas governor appeared on CBS and on NBC’s “Meet the Press” a day after winning GOP nominating contests in Louisiana and Kansas.

…snip…

Meanwhile, Huckabee defended his relationship with Texas evangelist Kenneth Copeland, a friend who has helped him raise campaign money.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, a senior member of the Senate Finance Committee, has asked for financial information about Copeland’s ministry over concern that the ministry and others are improperly using their tax-exempt status. Copeland has refused to cooperate.

Copeland has said Huckabee told him he “will stand with you any time, anywhere, on any issue.”

[Tim] Russert asked Huckabee if he was interfering in a congressional investigation. Huckabee said he wasn’t.

“The whole issue with Kenneth Copeland and Chuck Grassley is not an issue that I’m dealing with as a presidential candidate,” Huckabee said.

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35 responses to “Pennies From Heaven

  1. Got a Grip

    Apparently Copeland skipped over that bit in the Bible that says it’s “easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven.” I hope he gets his exemption status yanked and gets to spend a little quality time in jail. Maybe he’ll really find God there. So many asshats like him seem to…..

  2. nonnie9999

    gotta,
    i wish all churches and every other place of worship would lose their tax-exempt status. people choose to be of one religion or another. there is no reason that they should get special privileges. if they want to have charities, then let them set them up separately, and let them have exemption status. however, the charity should not have any religious strings attached whatsoever. if they do, no tax breaks.

  3. Got a Grip

    I agree, nons, I agree….

  4. TRM

    Well crap the bed!!! Nonnie and I agree on something!!! These cadillac drivin Jesus pimps suck!!!

    Speaking as a rabid righty, I don’t love me no Huckabee…

  5. TRM

    Oh yeah, where’s my damn hug!?<—– :)

  6. nightowl724

    I’m here, TRM! I’m here!

    {hug} {hug} {hug}
    ;-)

    PS TRM, I have been sort of out of commission for the last few weeks, but I did visit your updated site. Very nice layout. I can’t exactly wish you good luck, but I can appreciate the work and passion involved in your lauch.

  7. nightowl724

    OOPS! I meant “launch.”

  8. nightowl724

    nonnie, you put it all together nicely here. The Grassley sign, the lawnmower. The title. The whole works.

    What I don’t get is – if a person wanted to give to Huckabee, why not just do it directly, instead of through a huckster like Copeland being investigated for skimming off donations?

  9. Friend of the court

    They like to have a party and feel important in front of their Bible buddies. Even more than the $$$$, it is important to blow a little smoke up the preacher’s butts, so that they will deliver the flock’s votes and missionary skills. They really should eliminate tax exemptions for the churches. What the Hell does God need all that money for? “I am the way and the light…give me 10% of your gross income.” You will find your reward in heaven…that, nobody can deny
    I loved that movie. The scene in the grocery store, the “have a nice day”, scene is gold.

  10. nonnie9999

    (((trm))) calm down, little fella. now go change those sheets.

    nightowl, i think the televangies stage these big events so that they will get lots of press and convince the media that they are important. those are the ones in charge. the others are just sheeple. they do what they are told. the middlemen want to impress the hotshots, and the lowly poor slobs give their money away thinking they are securing their place in heaven. it’s all very cult-y.

    fotc, i bet the real partying goes on behind closed doors and involves a lot of booze and hookers. i don’t think i ever saw the movie. then again, maybe i did. my brain leaks.

  11. Friend of the court

    Steve Martin is in a witness protection program, in the ‘burbs. He is a character of a ‘wise guy’. Everybody in the store keeps telling him to have a nice day and he goes along, for a long time then, he says, “A, fock you”. It is funnier in the movie.

  12. nonnie9999

    fotc,
    i know the premise of the movie, and the scene you describe sounds familiar, but i don’t know if i ever saw the whole movie or just some scenes from it. after a while, all steve martin movies seems to blend into one for me. not that i dislike steve martin. it’s just that in most of his movies, he plays the same guy in different clothes, and i can’t tell one from another without actually watching the movie again.

  13. Got a Grip

    TRM gets way too much pleasure from the hugging. He’s using us for his own….ends.

  14. I’ve been there, that’s why I am here.
    Exactly who does have a right to question Copeland about where the money goes? Copeland put on a exhalent performance at his latest ministers conference, visible at http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/copelandclips , in which has now gotten the attention of people all across the USA, and abroad. If I didn’t personally know better, one would actually think he cares about the protection of all his followers (partners),that pour money into his ministry. Requesting a summery of my mothers (Bonnie Parker) contributions, a long time partner of KCM, we like Grassley got little or no response. (Request viewable at http://sis359.blogspot.com/ ). If their partners aren’t entitled to this privileged information, even though they are funding this lavish lifestyle KCM has grown very accustom to, nor is the Senate entitled either, then who is? The IRS perhaps? Are the teachings of the Prosperity Gospel message being misconstrued? Do we, any of us, have a valid argument, or the right to ask for these records ? I believe with all my heart, we should let the ones affected most by this money making scam have a say in determining the answer to those questions..
    “ I had a home“, “I had a life“, “I had faith“, “I had a family“, “I lost a loved one“, “I have no clue what the truth is anymore!” “I will never trust any form of religion.” these are merely a handful of endless testimonies coming to light nationwide. Ranging from all walks of life, their heartbreaking testimonies can be found throughout the web, yet inconceivably, victims are being labeled as fools, ignorant, and basically downright blind for not seeing the truth behind the Prosperity Gospels falsehoods. ” Being only human, our quest for health and wealth, regrettably does lead some in the wrong direction. Promises and guaranties, made by the Prosperity Gospel ministers, give people that have not obtained these blessings on their own, a second chance at achieving their goals in life. An important discovery I made while reviewing testimonies, revealed the fact numerous victims had very little knowledge of the Prosperity Gospels dark side. These unfortunate victims, appear to be equipped with only a small portion of the web of deceit these ministers weave . Picture yourself being raised in a small country town, with a population of only a few hundred, the closest city, only a population of only a few thousand. Computers, internet, cable, satellite TV, and other high tech gadgets are not needed or desired. You are living a simple , solemn life you wouldn’t trade for any amount of cash. After your working day is done, you gladly remove your shoes, kick back in your easy chair, and relax without a care in the world for a while. After flipping on the TV to view the local evening news broadcast, you are reminded to give thanks that you don’t have the worries that accompany life outside the safe haven of your home, and your community. Religion is your safeguard, your faith is strong, and you have no doubts about the truth behind your sacred beliefs. This was my life, before KCM.
    Prosperity Gospel ministers enter the homes of many victims though a thirty minute Sunday morning worship service on a local broadcast station. Growing up in Jigger La., truly located in the middle of nowhere, I can testify to the fact that we only received on a clear day about three or four channels at most. Warnings of dangers associated with Prosperity Gospel ministries, made by critics, ministers, and victims go unheard, therefore tragically for many, when the realization of this scam is discovered it is already to late. Family’s have lost their homes, lifesavings, and some even their lives due to the Prosperity Gospels misleading doctrines. Unfortunately my mother was not one of the lucky ones, her confidence, and faith in this false Gospel, ultimately cost her, her life. After more than a decade of programming her mind to believe and think the Prosperity Gospel way of life, she lost her battle with cancer. By refusing medical attention, she sealed her fate, but the programming she had acquired from Kenneth and Gloria Copeland proved strong all the way to her last breath. A diary she left behind revealed the horrific tale of her life from 1992-2002, the top of each page titled with Kenneth Copeland, Gloria Copeland, or BVOV. Some mistakes in life we can not undo, and good intentions don’t always go as planed, these victims are simply following misleading promises of health and wealth. The use of miraculous healing confessions, and newly found wealth testimonies, are their sales pitch, sadly my mom among many other are proof that their sale pitch works. The possibility these Mega churches were misusing finances for personal luxuries is what brought this scam to the publics attention, not the loss of life, the financially bankrupt, and numerous homeless victims they have been left in the wake of this devastating hoax. So, do we continue blaming the victims, or do we stand up beside them, learn from there mistakes, and put an end to these senseless tragedies? Even I being a victims daughter have many lingering questions, such as follows, “How is it that some see the truth, and others do not?” ” What leads these victim to believe the unbelievable?” “ Are some more vulnerable to these sort of money making scams than others When all is said and done, perhaps they will be tagged, not as the Prosperity Gospel, but the false gospel. One Quote from Copelands mouth should erases any doubts of KCM innocence,
    “It’s not yours, it’s God’s and you’re not going to get it and that’s something I’ll go to prison over. So, just get over it!”

    The family of Bonnie Parker
    sis359@gmail.com

    Photo , before and after KCM,
    http://picasaweb.google.com/sis359/BonnieParkerDiaryPhoto

  15. nonnie9999

    kristy,
    i am so very sorry for you and your family. i just looked over your website, and it is heartbreaking. this is the very reason i think that scam artists like copeland and the others should lose their tax exemptions. if they list themselves as charitable organizations, all their financial records should be totally open for inspection.
    i hope everyone will go over and read your mother’s story to see what devastation these bastards bring to innocent people. i had no idea that these monsters could be so greedy and selfish as to tell their faithful not to go to doctors when they are gravely ill.
    i hope that your family can someday find some peace. thank you for telling us your painful story, kristy.

  16. Got a Grip

    Kristy, having grown up in a fundie church, I know firsthand what you’re talking about. I’m so sorry for what you and your family have gone through. I will keep you in my meditations. If there is some way that I can help you, please don’t hesitate to ask. That’s not an idle offering, I act on my words. Peace to you, my dear.

  17. TRM

    Aw Pooh, Gotta’s on to me…

  18. goliathwhite

    The Copelands do not tell people not to go to doctors. KC has told of going to doctors himself, with a back injury. He has a medical doctor on his program yearly.

    He said he would not give his donor lists and records of all guest speakers in the church to the senator’s office. KCM answered the financial questions by the deadline and KCM went to the IRS and invited them to come in and audit them.

    The doctor thing is a lie. They never told anyone not to go to a doctor or that they were wicked.

    The information withheld was to protect donor and visitor lists from being publicized – protecting their privacy.

  19. weadread

    It is refreshing to find truth on this low life site. You have pulled it out of the mire, goliath white. Get a Grip yourself – you didn’t grow up in a fundie home — you have yet to grow up.

  20. 2edgedsword2

    Psalm 63:11
    But the king will rejoice in God; all who swear by God’s name will praise him, while the mouths of liars will be silenced.

    Revelation 21:8
    But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

  21. do you all travel in packs? look, the bottom line is that, if you want tax-exempt status, then you should have to open your books. period.
    i am sure that the copelands and their ilk go to the very best doctors, goliathwhite. i am sure they lack for nothing. however, don’t tell people like kristy beach that her mother didn’t suffer because of her affiliation with these people. what is the basis for your arguments? have you seen proof of what you say, or do you believe it just because copeland said it was so?
    weadread, if you don’t like this lowlife site, then you are free not to come back again. then again, maybe you can come back and do more tricks for us. amazing how you know the household in which got a grip grew up. can you juggle, too?
    2edgedsword2, sorry, i don’t speak bible. i have a mind of my own, and i don’t have to memorize verses from a book in order to think or communicate. by the way, i don’t know what that avatar is supposed to be, and it is probably something quite innocuous. however, it looks a lot like a swastika, and i suggest you think about changing it.

  22. Got a Grip

    Ah, yes, the pack mentality. (sigh)

    goliathwhite, here’s a little something you should remember when talking up your buddy Copeland. It was so worthy of note that it was repeated three times……

    “And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” Matthew 9:24

    “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” Mark 10:25

    “For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” Luke 18:25

    And here’s a couple for the whole pack to study and pray on….

    “And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?” Luke 6:39

    “Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:1

    2edgedsword2, if you really want to go toe to toe with me on quoting bible scripture I suggest you get out your Greek translation dictionary. I was raised at the knee of a biblical scholar so if you want to play scriptural throwdown, let’s go.

    As to you, weadread, you should pay particular attention to that last passage. You have no idea what kind of home I grew up in or the kind of person I am. It was people like you that turned me away from organized religion in general and the Pentecostal Church in particular, judgmental a$$wipe that you are. Just like the three of you here, those holier than thou charmers were oh so good at passing judgment on others, but they really couldn’t be bothered to take the words of Jesus to heart. They really sucked at practicing what they preached.

    Begone with you, all three of you. If you want to blindly follow someone who takes money meant for God’s work for his own personal pleasure then that’s your mistake to deal with. Go have a look at those hefty logs in your own eyes and leave us to deal with our tiny motes. And take that swastika icon with you. nonnie’s one of the chosen people, and you three aren’t good enough to lick the bottom of her shoes.

  23. oh, gotta, i am so glad that you are a lowlife just like me! :D i was going to whip out that camel going through the eye of a needle verse, but that would have entailed me having to google, and i didn’t feel it was worth the effort, as logic and irony are probably lost on our three visitors.
    i think that the avatars are generated by wordpress, and i guess they don’t realize that that particular one looks like a swastika. if i see it again, i will notify someone at wordpress that they should delete it.

  24. Got a Grip

    Well, nons, we lowlifes have to stick together, you know. Better I hang out with a decent person with a good and kind heart than take counsel from a bunch of judgmental fools.

    You’re the best, nonnie, don’t let anyone ever tell you otherwise…. ;-)

  25. 2edgedsword2

    … then hear from heaven and act. Judge between your servants, repaying the guilty by bringing down on his own head what he has done. Declare the innocent not guilty and so establish his innocence. 2 Chronicles 6:23

    Psalm 35:27
    Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

    Proverbs 8:18
    With me are riches and honor, enduring wealth and prosperity.

    Proverbs 13:21
    Misfortune pursues the sinner, but prosperity is the reward of the righteous.

    2 Corinthians 9:11
    You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.

    2 Corinthians 8:9
    For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

    Psalm 112:3
    Wealth and riches are in his house, and his righteousness endures forever.

  26. 2edgedsword2

    Matthew 19:23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

    24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

    25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

    26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

  27. lynn

    Hey, that Bonnie Parker story is being shopped all over the web. Kept seeing in on articles, trying to check out all this stuff, so did a search. It seems to have some obvious holes in it. It just flows too much like a soap opera. Like, why didn’t those people take that woman to a doctor! when they saw it wasn’t working and stop the money flow! This went on for some time. Look, if it actually happened that way, I sincerely condole with the family and hope they gain some sense for the future lest they continue to fall into disasters. And if it didn’t happen, they are in worse trouble than what they describe … Bad as all of this stuff is, a person or a family has an obligation in their own affairs not to let things get to this state. Wouldn’t it seem?

  28. lynn,
    ultimately, we are all responsible for our own decisions. that said, there are those who prey on the vulnerable. some people are raised in a way that allows them to be unduly influenced by others later on in life. when they are facing a catastrophic illness or death, fear takes over, and they look for something, anything to hold onto. how many times have we bought something only because the tv tells us how good it is. pop tarts anyone?
    i don’t know if the story is true or not. even if it isn’t though, there are a lot of other stories out there like that one. there are many, many stories of people giving their money to ministries like those and who are living in squalor. nobody is picking their pockets or putting a gun to their heads, but they are being psychologically manipulated by people who know exactly who they are dealing with and using their knowledge to convince them that giving away their scarce resources will somehow lead them to salvation.
    as to the family, when people reach the age of majority, it is very difficult to force them to do anything. many times in many different situations, family members are left to stand by helpless as their loved one destroyed him/herself.

  29. Got a Grip

    2edgedsword2, I see you’re still skulking around here, cherry picking what you want and ignoring the main points. Let me lay this out for you really simply. God doesn’t seem to care much for rich folk, especially the ones that line their pockets while pretending to be men of God. The reward for Godliness is not here on earth, it’s supposed to be in heaven. But hey, we’re having fun here, right? So I’ll play, yet again, just for you.

    3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1st Timothy 6:3-10

    1 Let brotherly love continue. 2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. 3 Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body. 4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. 5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.Hebrews 13:1-5

    19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:19-21

    10 He that loveth silver shall not be satisfied with silver; nor he that loveth abundance with increase: this is also vanity. 11 When goods increase, they are increased that eat them: and what good is there to the owners thereof, saving the beholding of them with their eyes? 12 The sleep of a labouring man is sweet, whether he eat little or much: but the abundance of the rich will not suffer him to sleep. Ecclesiastes 5:10-12

    20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. 21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. 22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. 23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. 24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. 25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. 26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

    27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also. 30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

    37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. Luke 6:20-37

    13 And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; 16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise. John 2:13-16

  30. whole counsel

    3Jo 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

    Ps 115:14 The LORD shall increase you more and more, you and your children.

    Ps 85:12 Yea, the LORD shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase.

    Isa 48:17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

    1Ch 29:12 Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all.

    Eccl 5:19 Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God.

    Isa 48:17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

    Ps. 67:5 Let the people praise thee, O God; let all the people praise thee.
    6 Then shall the earth yield her increase; and God, even our own God, shall bless us.
    7 God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.

    1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

    Pr 10:22 The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it

    Phil. 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

    2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

    Prov. 14:24 The crown of the wise is their riches: but the foolishness of fools is folly.De 8:18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

    Deut. 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
    2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
    3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
    4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
    5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
    6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
    7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
    8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
    9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
    10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
    11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
    12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
    13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:
    14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

    Gal. 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
    14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

    Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

    Lu 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

    Matt. 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,
    30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

    Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

    Job 36:11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

    Psalm 35:27
    Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

    Proverbs 8:18
    With me are riches and honor, enduring wealth and prosperity.

    Proverbs 13:21
    Misfortune pursues the sinner, but prosperity is the reward of the righteous.

    2 Corinthians 9:11
    You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.

    2 Corinthians 8:9
    For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

    Psalm 112:3
    Wealth and riches are in his house, and his righteousness endures forever.

    Matt. 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

  31. ooooh! dueling bible verses! all we need is banjo music. what have we learned? we have learned that no matter point you are trying to make, you can find pretty little sentences pro or con in the bible. what else have we learned? there are people who cannot think for themselves, and instead treat life as a research paper for high school, where you look through the bible for your “facts” instead of engaging in any real analytical thought. be happy with your blessed paper cuts.

  32. Got a Grip

    ROTFLMAO!! You’ve nailed it, nonnie! As long as you have mastered the dubious art of quoting biblical text and you line the coffers of the holier than thou, then it’s apparently fine to ignore those less fortunate and wallow in your own greed and avarice. All I can say is good luck to them with that. They should really ponder that old saw “What would Jesus do?” and try to fit the reality of that into their greedy little perceptions. Somehow I don’t think Jesus would be pleased with them on that score.

    What really puzzles me is what they think they’re doing here. Are they trying to convert us, or just excuse their greed and avarice? Either way, I think they’re screwed.

    I think we’ll have to nix the banjos for pipe organs, though, really expensive pipe organs. We’re talking about the bible according to rich, after all… ;-)

  33. gotta,
    i really wish they would switch to movie or tv quotes. we could all guess the film or the show that they come from. that would be a lot more fun.

  34. If I’m not mistaken, all this excessive thumping has qualified you for a religious tax exemption! Copeland is local around these parts. He never quite explained how a 12 year old girl came to be killed during his drunken biker guys weekend that was out at his retreat. The guy is an asswipe.

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