Justice says, “Justified!”

From msnbc:

The killing of Osama bin Laden was legally justified, and would have been even if the al-Qaida leader had made some sign that he wished to surrender, Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday.

“The operation in which Osama bin Laden was killed was lawful,” Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee. “He was the head of al-Qaida, an organization that had conducted the attacks of September 11th. He admitted his involvement and he indicated that he would not be taken alive. The operation against bin Laden was justified as an act of national self defense.”

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Holder said bin Laden was a legitimate military target and he had made no attempt to surrender to the U.S. forces that stormed his fortified compound near Islamabad on Monday. He was shot in the chest and head.

It was lawful to target an enemy commander in the field and the mission was conducted in the way that was consistent with U.S. laws and values, Holder testified, adding that it was a “kill or capture mission.”

…snip…

Five people were killed in the raid, officials said: bin Laden; his son, Khalid; his most trusted courier, a man who used the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti; and al-Kuwaiti’s wife and brother. The latest White House account leaves open the question of whether there was any gunfire from bin Laden’s defenders in his room before the commandos shot him.

Bin Laden was buried at sea from a U.S. Navy ship scant hours after his death.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said “you have to believe this guy was a walking IED,” and that any of the Navy SEALs would have wanted to kill bin Laden as far away as possible from the other members of the American team.

The attorney general agreed with Graham that there was a sound legal basis for the raid.

…snip…

Holder was under a second day of oversight questioning on Capitol Hill; Tuesday he was questioned by the House Judiciary Committee.

Even as many European leaders congratulated the U.S. government on the operation, many  said the slaying was of symbolic value. They pointed out that the terror cells working in Europe have long functioned independently and may try to avenge bin Laden’s death.

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44 responses to “Justice says, “Justified!”

  1. jean-philippe

    No man more than bin Laden himself wanted the US to kill bin Laden rather than capturing him.

  2. John Erickson

    The raging patriot in me says “Good riddance, who cares the justification.”
    The military man in me says “Enemy combatant killed in combat. Bravo Zulu”.
    The philosopher in me says “Is it right to delight in the death of a man, simply because his beliefs don’t match mine?”
    Vote: 2 to 1. Feeling – pride in our forces, sadness for ALL the lives lost because of this man on both sides, and a small feeling of greater comfort.
    It ain’t easy living in my head. And that’s before the migraines and meds! :D

    • The philosopher in me says “Is it right to delight in the death of a man, simply because his beliefs don’t match mine?”

      it’s not delight in his death, because his beliefs don’t match yours. it’s delight in his death, because he can no longer kill innocent people. big diff.

      • John Erickson

        Well…. you should TECHNICALLY never take delight in a fellow person’s death. There’s a psychological term called (and I’m gonna slaughter this) Schadenfreude. “Shameful joy” in German. You can feel relief that he won’t get anyone else killed, you can feel that justice is done, but you shouldn’t TECHNICALLY feel joy.
        So, does it show I have an online friend who’s going for a Masters in Philosophy? :D Life was so much easier before – I didn’t have to think about what I was thinking about. (Wow, talk about an infinite loop! ;) )

        • in most cases, i would agree. however, there are certain cases, like hitler, bin laden, mussolini, etc. which embody so much evil that their deaths deserve to be celebrated. there are plenty of people i can’t stand, and when they die, i won’t feel any kind of sadness, but i won’t be celebrating either.

        • John Erickson

          I won’t argue with you about not being horribly upset about a man who did such evil. And I won’t argue that, directly and indirectly, Bin Laden did great evil. I just hate to see people whooping it up like mad. It’s a great victory for our armed forces, but at such a cost.
          And this might sound strange, but I’m not in favour of an immediate pullout – I don’t trust the Afghan forces sufficiently. I feel we need a long-term draw down and turnover procedure, as well as an infrastructure development plan. Otherwise we’ll have the same problems in another few years.
          Okay, can we end Social Studies and go back to abusing Trump? :D

          • i can understand being uncomfortable with some of the displays of glee. we all see the events through our own prisms, and we all express our emotions differently. i think a lot of the emotion was relief. a lot of the people in those crowds were very young when the attack occurred, and they’ve grown up in fear. i think it’s natural to be exuberant when you’re young and when a boogie man meets his end. as for those who lost loved ones, i won’t judge their reactions, because you never know how you’d react under the same circumstances unless you’re unfortunate enough to be in their shoes.

            and, yes, let’s go back to bashing trump! :wink:

  3. Lol@John Erickson… I like your inner struggle. What about the truth man in you? Has he begun to question why the story keeps changing?

    • what story doesn’t change when the facts keep coming in? even al qaeda isn’t spinning this into some kind of stupid conspiracy theory about bin laden not really being dead.

      • Nonnie, did you visit this guy’s blog? I did. He is one step closer to the edge than the average Tea Partier.

        • yes i did. that’s why that’s most likely the first and last time i reply to him.

        • Pro-liberty and anti-war… yeah, I’m crazy as hell. :)

          • John Erickson

            Hey, both are great positions. As a military historian, I am actually anti-war myself. War gets a lot of decent people killed or maimed. But sometimes you have to “bite the bullet” and fight. Should we be involved in our various wars? That’s an alternate history discussion – we’re already there. And like I said, it’s hard to judge something without all the facts, and facts keep trickling in from ALL our wars. I will ask, though, that if you want to debate a point, you let me know what the point is. I’ve gotten into too many blog jousts over ideology, with people who have THEIR opinion, and everybody else is wrong. I’m happy to debate if the other person can bring documented facts to bear, and not just vague conspiratorial commentary (no insult intended, @resistblog). Final approval, though, does belong to Nonnie – her blog, her rules, we joust at her pleasure. And I will ask you keep the language civil – personal attacks not only undermine arguments, but they’re pointless and annoying. (Okay, soapbox session over, back to our regular insanity! :D)

    • John Erickson

      As a historian, military in particular, I’m used to facts changing. Heck, there are still new facts popping up about World War 2 (my favourite area), and that was over 70 years ago! I’m sure we’ll get a LOT more facts, views, feelings, opinions, and all the rest for decades to come. And some things the general populace will never know, due to the secret nature of our combat teams. Such is life! :)

  4. jeb

    And yet you still have all of the raging torture zealots (mini-Cheneys) out there blathering on about how Holder wants to read terrorists their rights and provide them comfortable accommodations. As with any legal action, this operation could be debated on international and constitutional law points ad infinitum but the fact is that this operation needed certainty and swift action. Just as a policeman cannot hesitate against a criminal who has proven their ability to kill, the Seals could not take any chances with bin Laden. However, twisting Holder and Obama’s responses to the way the previous administration blatantly disregarded the constitution is just specious, self-serving and stupid.

    In the end Obama did what Bu$hco didn’t seem to have the will or the interest to do. That is the bottom line.

    • amen, jeb. chimpy said he didn’t even think about bin laden, and he nixed the plan to kill him years ago. they can try to spin it as much as they want, but all it’s going to get them is dizzy.

  5. Bush’s so called “War on Terror” ended long before 2006, the year he shut down the unit to find OBL, if memory serves.

    I agree with the Prez decision to not play the redmeat card an have the death picture plastered all over the world. Now get the hell outa Afgan and let them go back to being the second worst economy in the world.

    • i agree that the pictures shouldn’t be released. the tinfoil hat people wouldn’t be convinced if they were standing next to the medical examiner during the autopsy, so what’s the sense in releasing the pix? instead, release pix of the lifestyle the piece of shit was enjoying to show people what a liar he was. how many of the peons in al qaeda live that well? i think that would help shatter the myth.

  6. Will it work this time???

  7. WordPress keeps droping my contact info and just zapped my comment saying “no valid Email address” I will try once more…

    • sorry, jerry. i think wordpress is having issues again. i usually get an email for each comment, and i haven’t been getting them. that happened once before a few months ago, and i tried to get an explanation from the brains at wordpress. however, i never got a response. i believe the reason is not that they ignored me, but that they replied to me by email, and i never got it.

      by the way, raisinettes, if i don’t reply to a comment, it’s most likely that i missed it, because of the email problem. there are times when i miss a comment when i’m looking through the posts here, and i catch it when going through email.

    • John Erickson

      WordPress was kinda wonky yesterday and Tuesday, at least on my end. I had to reload screens manually (F5), and a lot of my posts had to be reposted. It didn’t help that one of the two Emails I use to get stuff from crashed due to a server farm screwup by Verizon. The last few days have been interesting – as in the old Chinese curse, “May you live in interesting times”.
      I just wish less of my time was so “interesting”! ;)

      • when wordpress is being wonky, it’s best to write your comment in notepad or wordpad and copy it to a comment box over here, especially if the comment is going to be long. so frustrating when a comment disappears. sometimes, if you go back a page the comment appears again, and you can post it. when that happens, i always copy the comment to wordpad just in case it disappears again.

      • John Erickson

        Exactly what was happening (needing the reload), and exactly what I did (copying off the post)! Great minds think alike – and occasionally, I get lucky and think alike as well! :D

  8. As I was saying…This hit reminds me of the plan to take out IJN Admiral Yamamoto back in 1943. The code boys figured out he would be on an inspection trip in the war zone around Raubul. The plan was set in motion to send a squadron of P-38s to do a long range intercept that had to be timed precisely. And it worked. The Lightenings dove down on the unsuspecting Betty bomber transports, right through the Zero escorts, sending both crashing into the jungle. The moral of the story: When you are known for being very punctual, it may come back and bite you on the ass!

  9. 1) I having a difficult time with the story shifting from legal vs illegal. Hmmm …. of course with a political spin.

    2) John is gaining legend status! Beatification coming soon!!!

  10. Holden & the hawks will sleep easy, knowing this was a legal assassination.
    OBL lived by the sword & died by the sword.
    I lament over the more than a million people who died in the aftermath (and are still dying in Iraq & Afghanistan), when OBL was the one to get revenge with all along.
    To think OBL killed 3000 in the 9-1-1 terrorist attack.
    To retaliate, the US killed 1,455, 590 (low estimate) Iraqi people
    American Military Casualties in Iraq

    Total In Combat American Deaths
    Since war began (3/19/03): 4452
    Since “Mission Accomplished” (5/1/03) 4311
    American Wounded Official Estimated
    Total Wounded: Over 100000

    320,000 Vets Have Brain Injuries

    18 Vet Suicides Per Day
    Other Coalition Troops – Iraq
    318
    US Military Deaths – Afghanistan
    1,566
    Other Military Deaths – Afghanistan
    875
    Contractor Employee Deaths – Iraq
    1,487
    Journalists – Iraq
    348
    Academics Killed – Iraq
    448
    Sources: DoD, MNF, and iCasualties.org

    Just sayin’ our country sure engaged in a whole lot of killing…. even more than bin Laden.
    So is this volume of killing & wars justified because we are “the good guys”?
    Of course Holden will say it’s all justified. He does not want to piss off his boss.

    I’ll recap w a bumper sticker slogan:

    War: Terrorism with a bigger budget.

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