Maybe the Devil Made Him Do It

From the Houston Chronicle (12.14.2007):

WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans blocked a bill today that would restrict the interrogation methods the CIA can use against terrorism suspects.

The legislation, part of a measure authorizing the government’s intelligence activities for 2008, had been approved a day earlier by the House and sent to the Senate for what was supposed to be final action. The bill would require the CIA to adhere to the Army’s field manual on interrogation, which bans waterboarding, mock executions and other harsh interrogation methods.

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Sen. Lindsay (sic) Graham, R-S.C., placed a hold on the intelligence bill, preventing the Senate from voting on it while the challenge goes forward.

“I think quite frankly applying the Army field manual to the CIA would be ill-advised and would destroy a program that I think is lawful and helps the country,” Graham said in an interview.


The field manual amendment was pushed by Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California and backed by two Senate Republicans, Olympia Snowe of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska.

Feinstein defended the provision and said the Senate should debate it. “The Army Field Manual has been an effective guide for the military,” she said. “It was very carefully written and reviewed. It has not come under criticism, unlike the constant criticism in the CIA arena …. It is my belief that America is not well served by torture.”

The White House threatened to veto the bill this week over the interrogation restrictions and a list of other issues. The CIA denies that it tortures detainees.

The Army field manual, adopted in 2006, prohibits forcing detainees to be naked, perform sexual acts, or pose in a sexual manner; placing hoods or sacks over detainees’ heads or duct tape over their eyes; beating, shocking, or burning detainees; threatening them with military dogs; exposing them to extreme heat or cold; conducting mock executions; depriving them of food, water, or medical care; and waterboarding.

From Think Progress:

Graham’s effort to protect Bush’s torture policies directly contradicts his recent anti-torture rhetoric. Just this week, Graham raked Brigadier General Thomas W. Hartmann, the legal adviser at Guantanamo Bay, over the coals for refusing to call waterboarding torture, even if done by Iranian “secret security agents” on an American pilot.

Given his record, the gap between Graham’s rhetoric and his legislative action isn’t altogether surprising.

In October, Graham hinted that he might oppose Michael Mukasey’s nomination unless he said waterboarding was illegal. But after Mukasey continued to refuse to explicitly call waterboarding torture, Graham reneged and helped push Mukasey through the Senate.

So, despite the fact that Graham believes a person doesn’t need “a lot of knowledge about the law” to know that waterboarding “violates” [the] Geneva Convention,” he is now blocking efforts to outlaw the CIA’s use of it.

Lindsey Graham makes my head spin around and makes me puke pea soup.


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23 responses to “Maybe the Devil Made Him Do It

  1. TRM

    Yep all forms of interrogation were invented by President Bush and he is a meany… it’s all his fault, I mean why would he treat such nice men so badly? Because they call for our destruction? Thats not good enough.
    Since I have an extensive military background I feel qualified to comment on this matter. Yes waterboarding is not nice and pretty much sucks. But to place conventional restraints (Army FM’s), on “non” conventional operatives is not only stupid, it’s suicide. Keep letting our enemies know they can attack us through the courts and see where it gets us. Who in their right mind would let podium jockey’s dictate how “real” troops win our wars?
    Stupid, plain and simple stupid.

    The first posting of how lib’s are destroying America is up and ready… be nice….

  2. TRM

    “Graham’s effort to protect Bush’s torture policies directly contradicts his recent anti-torture rhetoric”


    Bush has torture policies? This same technique was in place during Clinton’s and Carter’s years…..

    now its mean??

  3. TRM

    Usually I wouldn’t give you the satisfaction nonnie, but yes, I am mad at you,,,,,

    where’s my xmas list to cross you off!!!

  4. nonnie9999

    oh, trm, you’re so cute when you’re angry! 😛 you know you can’t stay mad at me though. i will be looking for my gift! 😀

  5. Couldn’t imagine how would a better writer of skill would write.

  6. TRM

    But nonnie you didn’t address what I said…

  7. Friend of the court

    Hey nonnie, do I still have to be nice to these guys?

  8. nonnie9999

    oh, trm, what am i gonna do with you? the bottom line is that torture does not work. it results in false information. it also gives the rest of the world permission to torture our soldiers. why is that so difficult to understand? torture is only an instant solution with pristine results when keifer sutherland is doing it (and look at what happened–he wound up in jail! even make-believe torture drives one to drink and then drive!). even if all that were not true, it is illegal. here’s a little quote for you, snookums:

    I believe, without any doubt, that waterboarding is illegal. It’s a violation of the Geneva Convention. It’s a violation of the War Crimes Act. It’s a violation of the Detainee Treatment Act, in my opinion, because I’m familiar with the practice.

    would you like to know who said that? i will give you a minute.
    la la la ti dah la la la la dee dahhhh
    are you done thinking, hon?
    the person speaking is none other than…..drumroll……senator lindsey graham of south carolina.
    now, does that answer your question?

  9. nonnie9999

    always have a little drinky-poo before reading what our dear friend, trm, has to say. it’s better for the nerves and for the digestion. 😀

  10. I saw the movie “Invasion” the other day with Nicole Kidman. It’s one of those invasion of the body snatchers kind of things mixed with the manchurian candidate. Not the greatest of movies but it made me think of the current idiot sitting in the white house as well as what’s going on in Congress.

    What the hell is going on? And what the hell planet are the republicans from? More than a violation of the Geneva convention, waterboarding and the interrogation techniques used violate the Constitution. And in light of the fact of the lies by the CIA, the cover up by DOJ, and the complicity of Congress, you have to ask yourself not whether the “devil made him do it,” but whether in fact certain people in government are from another friggin planet devoid of logic and adherence to the rule of law. Ridiculous.

  11. nonnie9999

    hey mr. cheeseburger!!! 😀
    love your name!!
    i agree with you 100%. what the hell is going on, indeed! remember during the clinton impeachment, the rethugs’ constant chant was the rule of law, the rule of law. they have since changed it to screw the law, screw the law.

  12. TRM

    well nonnie we have reached a brick wall on this subject. Inflicting discomfort (what you and Sen Graham call torture) does work, I will concede that some times the info is no good, but for the most part it is. And my sweet little liberal pumpkin. The last time you saw footage of an American being held by terrorist, did he/she look comfortable and relaxed?
    still…no present for you!!!:)

  13. TRM

    FOTC I hope you wouldn’t just start screaming, yelling and cursing….. no need to confirm the lib sterotype 😦

  14. TRM

    Cheeseburger, keep getting your world view from movies…. let me know how that works out for you… 🙂

  15. Friend of the court

    You are correct, TRM. No screaming, yelling or cursing, I shall whisper nonsense and chant right wing talking points, like a good conservative. No point making a fuss.

  16. Got a Grip

    TRM, you should be careful about hanging out with us. Someone in the “right” circle might read here and see you consorting with the enemy. You could be snatched from your warm bed of delusion for a nice round of extraordinary rendition. I’d hate to see someone take a razor to your private parts, as they have on more than one occasion during this nightmare we’ve been living for the last 7 years. I know you’re probably innocent of anything worse than being a bonehead, but that little trivial details like that don’t matter to this administration. And we’d never know what happened to you…..

  17. TRM

    Got a Grip,
    I AM the administration! 🙂

  18. nonnie9999

    which one of us are you going to waterboard first, trm? ❓

  19. TRM

    waterboarding would come if the phone books don’t work….

  20. Got a Grip

    Great. Now I have to live in fear of wingnuts with phone books. Oh, well. Into the trash they go. I guess that’s what 411 is for…..

  21. TRM

    Sorry nonnie I never answereed your question…
    I am torn between the old lady’s first routine or save the best for last….. who’s the best?

  22. Friend of the court

    I doubt that you will get anybody to admit being an old lady.

  23. TRM

    Sorry, I meant, “ladies first” routine,,,, a comma and quotation marks make a world of difference…