V for Vile

WASHINGTON, March 7 (Reuters) – President George W. Bush will veto legislation on Saturday banning U.S. intelligence agents from using waterboarding and other controversial interrogation methods, White House spokesman Tony Fratto said on Friday.

Last month, Congress sent Bush a broad intelligence authorization bill that contained new limits on CIA interrogation techniques, despite Bush administration warnings that such a measure would be rejected.

“The president will veto the intelligence authorization bill tomorrow,” Fratto told reporters.


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“President Bush’s veto will be one of the most shameful acts of his presidency,” charged Sen. Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat who supported the legislation outlawing waterboarding.

Quoting the Army Field Manual, Kennedy said, “‘Use of torture is not only illegal but also it is a poor technique that yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say what he thinks the [interrogator] wants to hear.'”

From the San Francisco Chronicle:

The issue also has potential ramifications for GOP presidential nominee John McCain, R-Ariz., a longtime critic of coercive interrogation tactics who nonetheless backed the Bush administration in opposing the CIA waterboarding ban.

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The legislation would have limited the CIA to using 19 less-aggressive tactics outlined in a U.S. Army field manual on interrogations. Besides ruling out waterboarding, that restriction would effectively ban temperature extremes, extended forced standing and other harsh methods that the CIA used on al Qaeda prisoners after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

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CIA Director Michael Hayden has also spoken out against the Senate bill and defended the methods as lawful and effective.

In a statement to the Washington Post, Hayden said the Army manual guidelines were intended for “a different population of detainees, a different group of interrogators, and for different intelligence needs” than those of the nation’s chief spy agency. The CIA has not specified all the tactics it wants to keep using but says it no longer uses waterboarding. Administration officials have not ruled out using the tactic again.

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Friday that Bush has “compromised the moral leadership of our nation” and that the administration is ignoring the advice of military experts who oppose harsh techniques.

Retired Army Lt. Gen. Harry Soyster, a former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, suggested that those who support harsh methods simply lack experience and do not know what they are talking about.

“If they think these methods work, they’re woefully misinformed,” Soyster said at a news briefing called in anticipation of the veto. “Torture is counterproductive on all fronts. It produces bad intelligence. It ruins the subject, makes them useless for further interrogation. And it damages our credibility around the world.”

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14 responses to “V for Vile

  1. nightowl724

    You know what? I can’t believe we are still discussing torture in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Or that we were ever discussing it in the first place. I mean it. I can’t believe it.

    Stunning topic, nonnie, and stunning coverage of it.

  2. Friend of the court

    Chimpy sure as heck isn’t going to start putting any limits on his lawbreaking, at this stage of the game. After all, he has a “Finish Line” to sprint to. A sprint requires the removal of all hurdles and the Law of the Land has become, nothing more than a stumbling block to be removed.

  3. TRM

    Seriously, I love you all to death, but you just don’t get it do you.
    We are at war with a murderous, ruthless enemy. they deserve none of our protections , sympathy or compassion.

    My take on it…

    http://www.dequalss.com/wp/?p=368

  4. nonnie9999

    trm,
    first of all, you base a diary on a comment by a person who doesn’t even know how to spell enemy?
    secondly, you are the one who just doesn’t get it. how many professionals have to tell you that torture just doesn’t work? do we have to torture you into believing it?
    have a hug. πŸ˜€

  5. nonnie9999

    fotc,
    why should chimpy slow down now? he’s gotten away with all this for so long. i wonder if the fact that the rncc got ripped off by one of their very own supposed faithfuls will finally show them that oversight really is important. πŸ˜†

  6. Friend of the court

    That’s right TRM, we must be just as murderous and ruthless as our enemies. How else will we ever be able to be at war for another “hundred or thousand years”?
    What happens when war is no longer as “good for the economy”? We are not at war with an enemy, we are at war with our own better interests. We are squandering our young people and national budget trying to kill people in their own country. Trying to kill them because they hate us and would kill us if they could so we are killing them first. “And so it goes.”

  7. Friend of the court

    Hey nonnie, how are you doing? Is your shower door on?

  8. nonnie9999

    fotc,
    i can happily report that the bathroom is now complete. maybe i will take a picture of it and post it. it would be the first time i will have posted a pic of a bathroom that has nothing to do with larry craig. πŸ˜† now, i just have to get the money that the contractor owes me, and i can put the whole chapter behind me (no pun intended, that was not meant as potty humor).

  9. TRM

    No FOTC, we must be MORE murderous & ruthless. Human’s have been killing eachother since we left the trees and probably then too.

    It’s not going to stop because we make nice… survival of the fittest baby!!!

    And speaking as someone who has smacked terrorist right up side the head and put the barrel of my weapon right in their mouths to find out where “alibaba” or the bomb was located and them pointing these things out saving my brothers in arms,,, I’d do it again, over and over again…

    Sounds mean, but you don’t understand what kind of people these are and what they would do to you given half a chance.

    Thanks for the hug nonnie, it wasn’t your turn but I’ll take it πŸ™‚

  10. Friend of the court

    TRM, when you smacked the terrorists up side their head and put your weapon in their mouth, where were your feet? Were you standing in their country?

  11. TRM

    Yep. Should we wait for them to do it here? Again?

    Listen, I don’t expect you to get it… it’s easy to sit back and judge, when your safe at home…
    Call me what you will, I would do it over and over again in the name of my country… remember?

    My country, be she right or wrong, but my country…..

  12. Friend of the court

    “When right, may she be kept right. When wrong, may she be put right.” I didn’t call you anything, TRM. It is my country, too. I thank you for your service. For defending the Constitution of our country and for looking out for your brothers in arms, you deserve the respect of all Americans.
    I believe that the actions, that Bush has undertaken in Iraq, will put us at greater risk in the future. His boneheaded policies have poured gasoline on a fire.

  13. TRM

    I would like to hear how you think Clinton or Obama will make it better….

  14. Friend of the court

    I’m not sure how anyone can make it better. I do know that the damage to lives and property is stunning and getting worse with every passing day. Also, no President is going to be able to put this egg back in the broken shell and Bush’s chickens will be comming home to roost for many years. We need to get out now and I hope that Obama will keep his word and do that. Getting out will be the start.

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