Yeah, I’m talking to you (not Yoo)! Kids, I want you (not Yoo) to run on over to a very good blog called the Grievance Project. My friend, E.M., unlike myself, covers very important stuff. The latest post over there is on an op-ed by Scott Horton about John Yoo (not you). In fact, there are lots of posts about John Yoo (not you) over there, and i suggest you read them all. Oh, did I tell you that E.M. was good enough to allow me to illustrate the diary? (All credit for the title goes to E.M.)
Here’s a snippet of E.M.’s diary:
New York attorney and Columbia Law School professor Scott Horton ’spanked’ Professor John C. Yoo in an Op-Ed Monday in the L.A. Times. In his Opinion column, Prof. Horton discusses the National Lawyers Guild’s campaign to have Prof. Yoo fired from his tenured position at UC Berkeley’s Boalt Hall School of Law.
Now, you (not Yoo), get on over to the Grievance Project, and start reading! I’m counting on you (not Yoo)!
While you (not Yoo) are over there, read the other posts about Yoo (not you) that you (not Yoo) will find listed in the left sidebar, as well as the posts about the Don Siegelman case and the crimes of Chimpy’s thugs.
HYSTERICAL RAISINS 
Nonnie, thanks again for the artwork and the link.
This is from another post:
Full post here.
E.M.
em, you are quite welcome! 🙂 by the way, silly, i told you there would be no problem adding a bit of text. why didn’t you ask?
I’m too shy.
it’s just a little text. it’s not like you were going to ask for my firstborn (though you are welcome to him).
nonnie, you do important work! i say so. so there.
i just do the comic relief. at least, i hope it’s comic!
i figured out what makes the sob so cute: it’s the little tuft of hair on top.
we used to do our daughter’s that way, when she first came to live with us 🙂
I’ll put EM on my blog list to read when I get a chance. I hope Yoo gets more than fired from his position. He really needs to be in jail, IMHO.
nons, you do important work and you know it. Beyond that, you make it fun. And you’re so helpful, so generous of spirit. Those are just a few of the reasons I love you so (there are ever so many more 😉 ).
jenn,
maybe we can call him pebbles yoo! 🙂
hiya gotta! 😀
em really does good work. everyone should go over and read the grievance project.
thank you for the compliment, but i don’t think i could be serious for more than a sentence or 2. i do what i can.
you know that i love you, too, and i missed you terribly while you were away. now that you are back, it feels like home again.
Hi, Nonnie, that Horton-Yoo cover is fantastic. Don’t underestimate the power of comedy. Many true things are said in jest, and it’s easier to get away with. 😉
It’s kind of funny that they look to get him fired from an academic gig as opposed to trying to get him disbarred. Why is that ? Perhaps because they know it wouldn’t work ? The full Horton article has one great nugget towards the end. The point about the Germans post WWII being sentenced for 10 years due to what their advice allowed. The problem there is that advice is just that and it should never be used as an excuse. Second the Germans were being prosecuted by the “winners”. Of the former most of the Nuremburg Trials were based on one’s actions purposefully and correctly waiving the inane concept of obeying orders or policy. Of the latter well we’ll see.
Alfie, I don’t know enough about the inner workings of the legal community to speak to disbarring Yoo (although I think it’s something that should definitely happen), but I think it’s essential to keep this nutbag from teaching young minds the kind of evil that has been proven to exist in his mind. Get him out of a teaching position now, I say, before he populates the legal world with more twists like him.
hello mdking!
welcome to the raisin 😀 , and thank you for the kind words. i am a firm believer in using humor to get the truth out as well as to get people to see things in a different light. you are quite correct–you can get away with a lot more when you say things in jest.
i hope that you visit often!
alfie,
yoo did more than just give his opinion. he knew that what was being done was illegal, and instead of cautioning that there could be legal repercussions or seeking to stop the illegal behavior, he sought assurances from the justice department that there would be no prosecutions. i’m not a lawyer, but i would think that amounts to conspiracy and aiding and abetting. that aside, alfie, i wonder how many of the nuremberg defendants who just “gave advice” you would want teaching in universities.
I say so as well.
Thanks. I look forward to your thoughts.
I think there are a lot of reasons, including the one you note, the chance that the state grievance boards will also act politically, a lack of education that this is a viable alternative, etc. For example, the focus of most attention on these matters is almost exclusively on the political and criminal aspects of these stories. For example, I recently corresponded with a law professor who just published a book about the illegal warrantless surveillance program. I asked him if he addressed the ethical obligations of the attorneys involved in approving that program. He actually responded that he hadn’t even thought of that.
More of Alfie’s comment:
As Nonnie noted, the difference is whether the attorney simply provides advice, whether followed or not, to a client or whether the attorney is an active participant in a criminal scheme. The attorney gives advice in both instances but provides that advice legally only in the first instance.
As far as trial by the winners, you’re right, but that’s a strong argument to work for a Democratic, fillibuster-proof Senate (at least until they become corrupted). As far as the Nuremburg Trials and other war crimes tribunals go, we gave the Nazis fair and open trials. And then, with the whole world watching, they presented the evidence of wrongdoing in open court and properly convicted nearly very defendant charged. When sentences were imposed and carried out, there were few cries of these trials being kangaroo courts. That’s not happening now. There is nothing fair and open about what this administration has done to human beings in general (torture) and to its own citizens (Jose Padilla: a U.S. citizen who was denied counsel and access to a judge for more than three (3) years).
I absolutely agree he shouldn’t be teaching but the protection of tenure is (rightfully, IMO) strong. If he’s disbarred, he’s not just a tenured law professor who radical ideas, he’s a tenured law professor without a license to practice in the very field in which he has tenure. That would strengthen the argument for his removal as well as flame the passion of those making the argument.
what em said! 😀
Ditto that, nons. Thanks, E.M., for shining some light on the way things work. It makes perfect sense now, and all the more critical to have Yoo disbarred and booted out of a place where he can do great harm.
nonnie, what a nice surprise seeing you (not Yoo) doing this Seuss spoof! I love it!
nightowl,
em thought of the punny title, horton hears a yoo, and the rest was easy! they were fun to make. maybe i will use dr. seuss pics in the future.